tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post5998577498756080169..comments2010-05-03T12:29:27.122-04:00Comments on Wefty Woman: Crochet and Knitting are not Handwoven...continuedPaintedBullShop.comhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15592585323935861995noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-76175901983249069712009-01-28T11:51:00.000-05:002009-01-28T11:51:00.000-05:00JJ did you get our hand slapped again today by Mat...JJ did you get our hand slapped again today by Matt!?? He shut down the discussion!!KG Kraftshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00490414271684196730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-8626476969081933482009-01-17T16:22:00.000-05:002009-01-17T16:22:00.000-05:00Donnalda: Wow, this post makes me want to start a ...Donnalda: Wow, this post makes me want to start a new obsession (get me some desert flora) I want to weave a basket! Please post some links to help us learn more!<BR/><BR/>As you may have already seen, I love to give a gratuitous plug to those who help make this blog fabulous!PaintedBullShop.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15592585323935861995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-40160303701378388592009-01-17T14:59:00.000-05:002009-01-17T14:59:00.000-05:00Thank you for the invitation. I loved what you sa...Thank you for the invitation. I loved what you said in your "Farewell Speech". I have read this blog and LOVE it. <BR/>I have been a basket weaver for many years. Living in the desert and having the amazing indigenous basketmakers to inspire me, I started with yarn and "salt grass" and the basic stitched coiled technique. Which is warp(coil)and weft (stitching) in a circular form. I found through research that many desert plant lend themselves to basketmaking, which is probably why desert dwellers always had so many to make their daily lives easier.<BR/>I have made rib baskets with Fan Palm flower stalks as the handles. A little steaming helps them form a circle, and a little bailing wire holds them in place. Date palm inflorecens stalk splits as the ribs, and Fan Palm frond splits as the weft material, as well as Date palm inflorecens as the weft in the wider spaced warp areas.<BR/>For the mat or twill woven ring baskets, the Date inflorecens splits work quite well, if soaked overnight and split into 1/8 inch thicknesses. The same split that is done from the edge of the stalk can be used as the rim if lashed with Fan Palm frond splits.<BR/>For twined baskets, I have used the splits for the warp to make really large baskets, with a twill woven base, and Fan palm frond splits and the twisted wefts. By the way, Fan Palm frond splits dye beautifully so you can achieve patterns with these. Or use the splits of the Date Palm inflorecense pod, which is dark and fiberous.<BR/>Yucca leaf splits, cattail tules,juncus,and buffalo grass are all good weft materials.<BR/>Salt Cedar has beautiful reddish brown shiny bark and can be gathered in the field after a rain, bent or twisted into loose wreaths and strung together to use as handles, rims, and ribs for rib baskets or rims of woven or twined baskets.<BR/>What I really liked about this stage in my life was that I could go out for a walk with only my knife and some rope, and come back with all the materials I needed to create something beautiful and useful. It was a spiritually fullfilling creative experience.Donnalda Does Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17532221238757046963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-78559625904920841402009-01-15T11:03:00.000-05:002009-01-15T11:03:00.000-05:00I thought all you crazy bitches would find this in...I thought all you crazy bitches would find this interesting, bobbin lace study on ComplexWeavers.com ...<BR/><BR/>http://www.complex-weavers.org/study32.htm<BR/><BR/>-Wefty Woman<BR/>One Warped BitchPaintedBullShop.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15592585323935861995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-50455322743498564192009-01-14T12:51:00.000-05:002009-01-14T12:51:00.000-05:00JJ. Thanks for taking a stand for weaving. We nee...JJ. Thanks for taking a stand for weaving. We need to let the art/craft/etsy; world know that we are here!<BR/>Angie of Kindred ThreadsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06224128687972698537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-86005218728353434252009-01-11T09:29:00.000-05:002009-01-11T09:29:00.000-05:00LaBeq, I hope you were not offended by my remark, ...LaBeq, I hope you were not offended by my remark, I was just wanting to get one point across, on this blog there is nothing that cannot be seen as irrelevant. My main objective, quest and mission for this blog is to get people interested in weaving. <BR/><BR/>Thanks and keep reading and posting on here. And I want to say one more thing, you have also inspired people to get there bobbins out and make some lace...as well as, getting people interested in learning more about your art. That to me is another key objective of this blog. <BR/><BR/>To promote handmade art and craft through life-long education and a continued quest for knowledge.PaintedBullShop.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15592585323935861995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-7456238272855400492009-01-10T23:39:00.000-05:002009-01-10T23:39:00.000-05:00LaBeq that little bit about the loom your dad taug...LaBeq that little bit about the loom your dad taught you to weave on is beautiful, and I have to tell you something.<BR/> <BR/>Smack...(there, you have been officially given a "warped bitch slap") <BR/><BR/>If course that story is extremely vital and an absolute essential addition to the discussion at hand. <BR/>I am so utterly thrilled with this first post and series of comments on my smart ass blog about weaving.<BR/><BR/>Seeing people getting excited about weaving and threads and bobbin lace (Cuz I want you all to know that miss orb weaver there has gotten injected with some bobbin lace infusion) She has been bringing out all her bobbin lace paraphernalia. The Orb woman is really getting pumped. <BR/><BR/>Karen, I am glad to have you following me. Because I have fallen head over heels for you...it can be a mutual stalking if you like.<BR/><BR/>I got some big plans, wait til you see my next blog post...it will knock y'all's lights out...<BR/><BR/>Note to all...(and this is in whispers) I don't think y'all's is a real word. Shhh don't say a damn thing about it. Let's keep it a secret, cuz I want to give the impression that I am waaaay more smarters than I am..<BR/><BR/>Love ya, bitches!!!<BR/><BR/>-JJPaintedBullShop.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15592585323935861995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-19986621436440744522009-01-10T23:12:00.000-05:002009-01-10T23:12:00.000-05:00LaBeq saysOoo...good reminder to back up my thesis...LaBeq says<BR/>Ooo...good reminder to back up my thesis several ways once I get started on it. You know, talking with you weaver-types is making me want to dig out the old table-top loom my dad taught me to weave on<BR/><BR/>-----------------------------<BR/>Karen said:<BR/>I have to go and pull out my childhood loom (it's all YOUR fault))) (oh man !!I'm not getting any work done and Tomorrow I will have to shovel!!!)<BR/><BR/>-----------------<BR/><BR/>Yes, do you see it, can you feel it...I think my experiment is beginning to take shape here. <BR/><BR/>I have not yet read all of the post, and I have just gotten down to LaBeq and Karen saying that they are getting a little weaving itch going on...well hot damn, my plan has begun...PaintedBullShop.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15592585323935861995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-14617398243110831672009-01-10T21:45:00.000-05:002009-01-10T21:45:00.000-05:00Anyway, there are definitely elements of weaving i...Anyway, there are definitely elements of weaving in bobbin lace. However, I think that in general, plaiting is a better term for it. I've said all along it's a complicated form of braiding. And certainly the way it is performed is more similar to the mechanics of braiding or plaiting than the mechanics of weaving as is is commonly understood.La Beqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00736612915946826349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-33674157704028001442009-01-10T21:39:00.000-05:002009-01-10T21:39:00.000-05:00Ooo...good reminder to back up my thesis several w...Ooo...good reminder to back up my thesis several ways once I get started on it. You know, talking with you weaver-types is making me want to dig out the old table-top loom my dad taught me to weave on.<BR/><BR/>Sorry, that didn't actually add much to the discussion at hand!La Beqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00736612915946826349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-3243379250595975572009-01-10T20:50:00.000-05:002009-01-10T20:50:00.000-05:00one more thing thank I have to go and pull out my ...one more thing thank I have to go and pull out my childhood loom (it's all YOUR fault))) (oh man !!I'm not getting any work done and Tomorrow I will have to shovel!!!)One of my good friend and students has a Dragon wall hanging that she wove on a loom in the new Debbie Macomber Book and it can be seen throug a link on the db website!!!!KG Kraftshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00490414271684196730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-45130553481111536832009-01-10T20:44:00.000-05:002009-01-10T20:44:00.000-05:00also Miss JJPBWW please don't leave us!!! an I'm ...also Miss JJPBWW please don't leave us!!! an I'm following you!!! whilist I'm here any of you on artfire?? they seem to be more user friendly!!LOLKG Kraftshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00490414271684196730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-2686324622320058662009-01-10T20:42:00.000-05:002009-01-10T20:42:00.000-05:00HAH Got it now. ... any way I won't rewrite my sp...HAH Got it now. ... any way I won't rewrite my speech... it was winded anyway!! I have done loom weaving and in fact am purchasing a loom for my shop as a teaching tool. I've also done bobbin lace which took a fair amount of time and persistance, I also do basketmaking, tatting, crochet, knitting on both looms and with needles,and did learn the finger weaving and pencil weaving i'm pretty sure I at one time owned nearly eveyissue of McCall's craft magazine from the day I got my first allowance. the magazines at one tall when stacked were taller than me!!! <BR/>because of my curious mind and my unrelenting need to do more I can now teach and perfect all that I've learn. You never stop learing until you are no longer breathing. as for what is true weaving yes I will conceed that the act of looms,warp, all involved is the true weaveing but many years ago I did read that the act of interlocking fibers in the creation of a fabric is called weaving. the creation of beautiful products is the ultimate goal of all of us and you are right about the mistagging that does need to stop and luckly I've never done that in this regard ( I did boo boo once and took it back, I'm still learning)KG Kraftshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00490414271684196730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-69774442807964834092009-01-10T20:41:00.000-05:002009-01-10T20:41:00.000-05:00Karen, I hate when that happens. I lost my entire ...Karen, I hate when that happens. I lost my entire thesis in college, all 160 pages, when the computer crashed. I was devastated.<BR/><BR/>Please try and post another, you have teased us with that test post!<BR/>-JJPaintedBullShop.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15592585323935861995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-47386664991192508502009-01-10T20:29:00.000-05:002009-01-10T20:29:00.000-05:00man!! I wrote this big long speech and the stupid...man!! I wrote this big long speech and the stupid comtuer ate it. this is only a test..KG Kraftshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00490414271684196730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-83634136076116355832009-01-10T17:53:00.000-05:002009-01-10T17:53:00.000-05:00Orb, I really liked what you said. I think that is...Orb, I really liked what you said. I think that is another reason there is so many jewelry makers and people buying jewelry too. I think humans have this connection with our primal selves and this need to adorn ourselves. Same way with weaving or lace or any object that was handmade. It took time and skill to make these things. It was (and in some cultures, still is) seen as an achievement to be a master of some form of work that is done by manipulating something by hand to make a new and completely different object.<BR/><BR/>But to get back to a handwoven item. I have to say that some of the bobbin lace you speak of seems like a woven process. What do you think? I do hope Leslie drops back in, and Karen too. <BR/><BR/>-JJ:PaintedBull:WeftyWomanPaintedBullShop.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15592585323935861995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-85797918876919607262009-01-10T14:31:00.000-05:002009-01-10T14:31:00.000-05:00I think you are probably on to something La Beq. ...I think you are probably on to something La Beq. Humans are rather the least attractive of animals. We don't have shiny iridescent wings or glorious spots or camouflaging stripes, no frightening pincers or deadly claws and we ended up almost devoid of hair so personal decoration and adornment seems to have become paramount in our psyche.<BR/><BR/>it is nice to be able to talk to people that don't tilt there heads in puzzlement when I talk like this :)Orbie/\;;/\https://www.blogger.com/profile/10856880753009599778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-58868432576763641662009-01-10T14:19:00.000-05:002009-01-10T14:19:00.000-05:00You know, I kind of wonder whether lacemaking orig...You know, I kind of wonder whether lacemaking originated when someone was weaving with those individually weighted threads, and the wind blew through and tangled them. Maybe the weaver thought it was pretty and started figuring how to tangle them on purpose!La Beqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00736612915946826349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-402970556456092332009-01-10T13:39:00.000-05:002009-01-10T13:39:00.000-05:00Orb, Yes that is the type of loom I was talking ab...Orb, Yes that is the type of loom I was talking about, I have seen pictures drawn of them without a frame (like your picture) but hanging from a tree.<BR/><BR/>I just ordered that book you suggested, so I am glad to here that you are enjoying it.<BR/><BR/>I must run a few errands, but continue all this to post comments! Look at them all, what brilliant and interesting discussions are going on. Y'all are getting my brain juices flowing.<BR/><BR/>-JJ & Painted Bull & Wefty WomanPaintedBullShop.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15592585323935861995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-64454482410352162612009-01-10T13:14:00.000-05:002009-01-10T13:14:00.000-05:00Ok since there is such a variety of fiber artists ...Ok since there is such a variety of fiber artists here I wonder if any of you could help me identify what I believe to be a fiber tool. I posted a picture on my blog... any help will be appreciated. thanks in advance<BR/>http://webworksfiber.blogspot.com/Orbie/\;;/\https://www.blogger.com/profile/10856880753009599778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-60078753389633853432009-01-10T12:45:00.000-05:002009-01-10T12:45:00.000-05:00LaBeq...http://www.smith.edu/hsc/museum/ancient_in...LaBeq...<BR/>http://www.smith.edu/hsc/museum/ancient_inventions/hsc00b.htm<BR/><BR/>Is this the type of loom you are referring to? <BR/><BR/>I would like to recommend to anyone who has an interest in fiber that they pick up a copy of "Women's Work, the first 20,000 years (Women, Cloth and Society in Early Times"" by Elizabeth Wayland Barber<BR/><BR/>Although I am only a third of the way through it I have to say it is very accessible and fascinating. It is well footnoted and grandly illustrated.Orbie/\;;/\https://www.blogger.com/profile/10856880753009599778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-56978010853359891222009-01-10T10:58:00.000-05:002009-01-10T10:58:00.000-05:00And I forgot, Happy Birthday La Beq!And I forgot, Happy Birthday La Beq!PaintedBullShop.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15592585323935861995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-44023470691932518512009-01-10T10:57:00.000-05:002009-01-10T10:57:00.000-05:00D, Can you continue, "Plaiting" I thought that was...D, Can you continue, "Plaiting" I thought that was when you have a "braided" structure but add another thread or weft or element, and kind of weave it through the braid sort of like darning a sock?<BR/><BR/>(I think I am way off on that one.) D, its good to see you too.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and I think you have given this warped bitch an Idea for a new blog post, "plaited basketry", you see what you have done...and isn't it fantastic?<BR/><BR/><BR/>----------------<BR/>LaBeq<BR/><BR/>So if you are working a cloth stitch, you are surrounding one thread (which is weighted because of the bobbin thingee) on each sides with 2 other threads?<BR/><BR/>It is funny when you think of things. This is making me wonder about how actual weaving on a loom came about, and the whole evolution of the basic weave structure like the definition I sited in my original blog post about the 2 separate threads intersecting at right angles. <BR/><BR/>See, I believe that there is a primitive loom that is a weighted loom, where each individual warp end is tied to a rock, and held down by gravity. The warps just hang like, a windchime that has hunks of glass at the end of each string, that is attached to a straight stick. (again I am visual so bear with me) <BR/><BR/>If someone else can chime in here, I would love you to pieces.PaintedBullShop.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15592585323935861995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-34960875064205276942009-01-10T08:20:00.000-05:002009-01-10T08:20:00.000-05:00I wonder... are bobbin lace, kumihimo, and fingerw...I wonder... are bobbin lace, kumihimo, and fingerweaving all forms of plaiting (braiding)? Plaiting is where a strand that is a warp element during one step - becomes a weft element during the next step. <BR/>And plaiting is not at all similar to knotting (macrame). <BR/>I don't know enough about bobbin lace to say for sure. <BR/>To add confusion to the pot... there is a basketry technique that is called "plaited basketry" which is traditionally found in Scandinavia using bark, this basketry is not "woven" but "plaited". <BR/>Oh what fun! <BR/>Dawndkfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13825251846338994886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7243465909567445572.post-81166379817035609792009-01-10T01:15:00.000-05:002009-01-10T01:15:00.000-05:00Sorry, had to run off to my birthday dinner. Yes,...Sorry, had to run off to my birthday dinner. Yes, the bobbins hold the thread. The bobbins also provide the tension for the threads. The type of bobbins I use, Midland style, have a beaded loop on the end for extra weight. The pins hold the threads in place in the design. The lace is worked on a very firmly stuffed pillow. <BR/><BR/>So, when working in continuous cloth stitch, the passive pairs could be compared to the warp, pulled taught by the bobbins. The worker pair acts as a weft, weaving two threads across at a time. In bobbin lace, threads are almost always used in pairs, the only exception I know of being when a single heavy thread, or gimp, is used as a decorative outline. But in every case, with every type of stitch, ground, etc., threads are taken alternately over and under each other. So in that respect, bobbin lace is rather like weaving. However, other than in the continuous stitches I described previously, no one thread or pair of threads acts as a weft. It's more as if you are twisting your warp threads around each other (which is why I usually describe it more as braiding). <BR/><BR/>It really would be easier to show than try to explain...more incentive for me to do an explanatory blog entry (with pictures)I can point people to whenever they're trying to understand what I'm talking about!<BR/><BR/>If it helps any, there is a better work-in-process picture as the last image here: http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=16599372 . The pins are more visible in that picture. Most are pushed down flush and just show up as dots, but the few closest to the camera a still sticking up a little. <BR/><BR/>Sorry, that was kind of long, too!La Beqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00736612915946826349noreply@blogger.com